OIC admitted that losing to Japan is embarrassing

It has long been known that Japan has a bigger GDP than the entire Muslim world put together, and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is finally admitting for the first time that such figure might be embarrassing. The group’s Chairman of Higher Education Commission (HEC), Dr. Javaid R. Laghari highlighted the issue while interacting with Education Attaches of other OIC member states in Islamabad, Pakistan this week.


OIC Chairman of Higher Education Commission says GDP of 57 members less than Japan

Dr. Laghari said that the 57 members of the OIC have a population of 1.6 billion, 70% of world’s energy resources, and 40% of its natural resources, but the collective GDP of these countries ($4.7 trillion) was less than that of Japan ($4.8 trillion). “The OIC only contributed 8% towards the world GDP but account for 40% of the population living below poverty level. It is upsetting to know that the Muslim World has so far only produced two Nobel Laureates in Chemistry and we spend 0.81% GDP on Research and Development (R&D), compared to the world average of 2.4%.” In total, the Muslim world produced 10 Nobel laureates while the Jews over 150.

But not everything is gloomy, Dr. Laghari also talked about some success stories from the OIC countries in higher education, saying Qatar has doubled its spending on research from 0.8% to a 2.8% of GDP while Saudi Arabia has allocated $20 billion endowment fund to its KAUST university. “Research work is on the rise in Muslim countries and by 2018, it is expected that Iran will stand at number 4, Malaysia at 13, Turkey 18, Pakistan 27, and Egypt 40 in worldwide scientific publication work.”


OIC admitted for the first time 57 nations losing to Japan is embarrassing

In term of GDP (Purchasing Power Parity), the European Union has an economy worth $16.1 trillion, the United States $15.7 trillion while China $12.4 trillion. Owing to massive natural endowment, the 57 OIC members were able to export a total $1.329 trillion worth of materials last year, though the figure still trailed that of Germany $1.492 trillion, the United States $1.612 trillion, and China $2.15 trillion. Among the 57 nations, Brunei has the highest HDI (Human Development Index) at 0.855 - though that remain dwarfed by Israel’s 0.900.

Dr. Laghari underlined the importance of acquisition of science and technological knowledge for the promotion of creativity and innovation within the Muslim world. The Executive Director of HEC, Professor Dr. Mukhtar Ahmed informed his audience that the Vice Chancellors Forum 2013 of OIC member states would be organized on 23-24 September at Islamabad. The purpose of this forum would be to provide a platform for university leaders in the OIC member states to forge linkages for initiating joint programmers, promoting research, pooling resources, offering scholarships, promoting exchange of students, and establishing centre of excellence.


Resource-scarce Japan is one of the world’s most developed nation

Dr. Mukhtar believes that through the collaborative efforts and availing one another experience/expertise in the fields of higher education and science and technology, the OIC countries can work for welfare, progress and prosperity of the Muslim Ummah.

Source:

http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?opt … 4&Itemid=2

http://tribune.com.pk/story/563435/gdp- … erty-line/

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- … challenges

http://www.brecorder.com/pakistan/gener … $48-t.html

The god gives you natural resources, and at the same time, the god gives you shame.

OIC is nothing but another organization with no function.

:slight_smile:

The bigger shame is that neither that Pakistani minister, nor the threadstarter, is apparently adept at the simple task of addition.

Here is the list of OIC members.

http://www.oicexchanges.org/members/oic-member-state-countries

[list]

OIC MEMBER STATE COUNTRIES

Islamic Republic of AFGHANISTAN
Republic of ALBANIA
Peoples Democratic Republic of ALGERIA
Republic of AZERBAIJAN
Kingdom of BAHRAIN
Peoples Republic of BANGLADESH
Republic of BENIN
BRUNEI-DARUSSALAM
BURKINA-FASO
Republic of CAMEROON
Republic of CHAD
Union of The COMOROS
Republic of COTE D’IVOIRE
Republic of DJIBOUTI
Arab Republic of EGYPT
Republic of GABON
Republic of The GAMBIA
Republic of GUINEA
Republic of GUINEA-BISSAU
Republic of GUYANA
Republic of INDONESIA
Islamic Republic of IRAN
Republic of IRAQ
Hashemite Kingdom of JORDAN
Republic of KAZAKHSTAN
State of KUWAIT
KYRGYZ Republic
Republic of LEBANON
Great Socialist Peoples LIBYAN ARAB JAMAHIRIYA
MALAYSIA
Republic of MALDIVES
Republic of MALI
Islamic Republic of MAURITANIA
Kingdom of MOROCCO
Republic of MOZAMBIQUE
Republic of NIGER
Federal Republic of NIGERIA
Sultanate of OMAN
Islamic Republic of PAKISTAN
State of PALESTINE
State of QATAR
Kingdom of SAUDI ARABIA
Republic of SENEGAL
Republic of SIERRA LEONE
Republic of SOMALIA
Republic of The SUDAN
Republic of SURINAME
SYRIAN Arab Republic
Republic of TAJIKISTAN
Republic of TOGO
Republic of TUNISIA
Republic of TURKEY
Republic of TURKMENISTAN
Republic of UGANDA
State of The UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Republic of UZBEKISTAN
Republic of YEMEN

[/list]

Note: I do not approve of the IMF or any other institution or individual directly or indirectly affiliated to it. Information is taken from that database only for the sake of convenience (saving time).

Also, information on Palestine, Somalia, and a few other OIC member states’ GDP is absent from the IMF database.

Still, here are some preliminary reports on the total GDP of OIC member states.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2013/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=31&pr.y=9&sy=2011&ey=2018&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=512%2C914%2C612%2C672%2C548%2C912%2C556%2C678%2C419%2C513%2C682%2C638%2C963%2C686%2C688%2C516%2C748%2C622%2C692%2C694%2C449%2C628%2C564%2C632%2C662%2C453%2C611%2C456%2C722%2C469%2C646%2C648%2C732%2C366%2C656%2C654%2C463%2C923%2C742%2C536%2C429%2C433%2C744%2C186%2C925%2C746%2C158%2C439%2C466%2C916%2C927%2C443%2C917%2C474%2C446&s=NGDPD&grp=0&a=

2012

Nominal GDP ($b)

OIC 6,716

Japan 5,963

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2013/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=32&pr.y=13&sy=2011&ey=2018&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=512%2C914%2C612%2C672%2C548%2C912%2C556%2C678%2C419%2C513%2C682%2C638%2C963%2C686%2C688%2C516%2C748%2C622%2C692%2C694%2C449%2C628%2C564%2C632%2C662%2C453%2C611%2C456%2C722%2C469%2C646%2C648%2C732%2C366%2C656%2C654%2C463%2C923%2C742%2C536%2C429%2C433%2C744%2C186%2C925%2C746%2C158%2C439%2C466%2C916%2C927%2C443%2C917%2C474%2C446&s=PPPGDP&grp=0&a=

2012

PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) GDP ($b)

OIC 9,816

Japan 4,627

Sure, OIC is mostly an irrelevant organization.

Sure, it has no military force, no mandate to enforce its rule, no currency, no foreign policy - in other words, completely powerless.

True, that OIC countries could have, and should have, performed far better if the Muslim world could have acted more in unison, and dropped their differences.

Still, one should never distort facts nor should they fail like this Pakistani ‘minister’ to add up some simple numbers.

The GDP of the OIC is larger than Japan’s.

Don’t be so quick to point finger at me or the Pakistani minister. There are a lot of discrepancies in measuring GDP, and as far as I am aware, there are 4 authoritative figures for GDP data - IMF, UN, CIA World Factbook and the World Bank. The Minister may be quoting from either of these and yet he may still be correct.

To completely refute his statement, all data there must show the GDP of OIC greater than Japan. If any one of them didn’t, the Minister remains true to his word. Just like in other thread, only until Bangladeshi GDP is bigger than all the metrics used to measure size of companies, I stand correct in my comparison.

Few years ago, there were high-profile news that China overtook Japan as the second biggest economy, but China in fact already did back in 2000 if measured using PPP. Only when it surpassed both nominal GDP and GDP (PPP) then it is official. Same as India who is now claiming it is the third largest economy after overtaking Japan in PPP. I don’t accept that as the nominal GDP remains far lagged behind. You have to beat all to be official.

Well, don’t go bombard me with wall of texts again :lol:

You sound like you are being flippant.

Are you a Chinese Malaysian, by the way?

CIA World Factbook is not an authoritative body (of information). CIA World Factbook is a collection of mostly incorrect stats piled up for amateurs.

IMF, WB or UN tend to be a bit more sophisticated and try to hide their biases well.

Still, whether you use WB or UN date, the results are the same.

The real ‘authoritative’ sources are the national statistical bodies of the respective countries. Because tallying information from all those countries would be very time consuming, that task is delegated to you.

By PPP, the OIC has at least 2.12 times as large an economy as Japan.

By nominal GDP, the OIC has at least 1.12 times as large an economy as Japan.

We do not care about Hindustan. Do not drag that unnecessary topic.

[quote=“Banglar Lathial”]You sound like you are being flippant.

Are you a Chinese Malaysian, by the way?

CIA World Factbook is not an authoritative body (of information). CIA World Factbook is a collection of mostly incorrect stats piled up for amateurs.

IMF, WB or UN tend to be a bit more sophisticated and try to hide their biases well.

Still, whether you use WB or UN date, the results are the same.

The real ‘authoritative’ sources are the national statistical bodies of the respective countries. Because tallying information from all those countries would be very time consuming, that task is delegated to you.

By PPP, the OIC has at least 2.12 times as large an economy as Japan.

By nominal GDP, the OIC has at least 1.12 times as large an economy as Japan.

We do not care about Hindustan. Do not drag that unnecessary topic.[/quote]

What the??? After ranting that CNN, Bloomberg, International Business Times are amateurs, now you are again saying CIA World Factbook is amateur, when there are so many in the world using their database as reference? All those people must be idiots then.

I don’t see any point debating with you further.

[quote=“Banglar Lathial”]You sound like you are being flippant.

Are you a Chinese Malaysian, by the way?

CIA World Factbook is not an authoritative body (of information). CIA World Factbook is a collection of mostly incorrect stats piled up for amateurs.

IMF, WB or UN tend to be a bit more sophisticated and try to hide their biases well.

Still, whether you use WB or UN date, the results are the same.

The real ‘authoritative’ sources are the national statistical bodies of the respective countries. Because tallying information from all those countries would be very time consuming, that task is delegated to you.

By PPP, the OIC has at least 2.12 times as large an economy as Japan.

By nominal GDP, the OIC has at least 1.12 times as large an economy as Japan.

We do not care about Hindustan. Do not drag that unnecessary topic.[/quote]

Errr…You sure ah?

CIA world factbook is compile by amateurs? You think monkeys worked in CIA is it?

Looks like someone is out for blood since his superior authorial skills are put into questionable doubt…
LOL

[quote=“DMsia”]Looks like someone is out for blood since his superior authorial skills Bangladesh are put into questionable doubt…
LOL[/quote]

A country he claimed was the richest on the planet. Superior wo… cannot lose in anything.

[quote=“Athrun_zala_faith”]

Errr…You sure ah?

CIA world factbook is compile by amateurs? You think monkeys worked in CIA is it?[/quote]

Initially it was interesting to debate… until he discards everything he doesn’t agree as ‘amateurs’, claim Indian conspiracy to annex Southeast Asia, claim Bangladesh was the richest country, claim medias in India are worthless, etc, etc.

Realized I was debating with a nationalistic lunacy, now lost mood already, better spend my time elsewhere :lol: Now I understand why many Malaysians I met make so much jokes about Ban***

[quote=“mevotex”][quote=“DMsia”]Looks like someone is out for blood since his superior authorial skills Bangladesh are put into questionable doubt…
LOL[/quote]

A country he claimed was the richest on the planet. Superior wo… cannot lose in anything.[/quote]

an advanced level of KIASU-ness… LOL

y no more saw his reply? i was ROFL when reading all his post until now he stop maybe he tired of his amateur?

[quote=“mevotex”][quote=“DMsia”]Looks like someone is out for blood since his superior authorial skills Bangladesh are put into questionable doubt…
LOL[/quote]

A country he claimed was the richest on the planet. Superior wo… cannot lose in anything.[/quote]

Bangladesh was the richest on the planet.

Where does it say, it can not lose in anything?

[quote=“Athrun_zala_faith”]
Errr…You sure ah?

CIA world factbook is compile by amateurs? You think monkeys worked in CIA is it?[/quote]

How old are you?

Do you remember the alleged WMD saga orchestrated by CIA in Iraq?

Do you?

CIA’s task is NOT to form statistical offices for collecting economic information on world’s nations.

Its task is to provide military intelligence to the US.

[quote=“mevotex”]

What the??? After ranting that CNN, Bloomberg, International Business Times are amateurs, now you are again saying CIA World Factbook is amateur, when there are so many in the world using their database as reference? All those people must be idiots then.

I don’t see any point debating with you further.[/quote]

You haven’t answered if you are a non-Muslim, Chinese. Are you?

Yours was the rant.

This thread title is the proof.

I have attached proof that the OIC GDP is comfortably larger than Japan.

Despite the fact that OIC is divided into 57 countries, beset by political divisions, and infighting, the collective GDP of OIC is still higher than Japan.

Thus, the whole premise for this thread is false.

Again, are there no Muslims in this forum?

Wow!

I had thought Malaysia was a Muslim majority country.

How come Malaysians did not expel all these illegal immigrants who arrived on boat and who are not Muslims to begin with?

I had better impressions about Malaysia thanks to Dr Mahathir Muhammad.

Seems like he did a poor job of ridding Malaysia of these traitor non-Muslims.

Sad for the Muslim Malaysians, indeed.

[quote=“mevotex”][quote=“Athrun_zala_faith”]

Errr…You sure ah?

CIA world factbook is compile by amateurs? You think monkeys worked in CIA is it?[/quote]

Initially it was interesting to debate… until he discards everything he doesn’t agree as ‘amateurs’, claim Indian conspiracy to annex Southeast Asia, claim Bangladesh was the richest country, claim medias in India are worthless, etc, etc.

Realized I was debating with a nationalistic lunacy, now lost mood already, better spend my time elsewhere :lol: Now I understand why many Malaysians I met make so much jokes about Ban***[/quote]

Which of these are false?

  1. Did not I provide an example why Hindustani media is worthless? It is your fault if you can not follow simple logic.

  2. If you know any History, you would have known Bangladesh was the richest. What is there to conspire about? It was the poor Chinese and Hindus who were hauled by the British to work as coolies in Malaya.

It was not Bangladeshis who were hauled by the British to work anywhere around the world, because Bangladesh was the richest.

Muslims ruled Hindustan. Hindus were Muslims’ subjects, then the Hindus chose to be British subjects for two centuries.

  1. You are a non-Muslim Malaysian, living in USA as an immigrant.

Malaysia is a Muslim majority country, and an OIC member.

It’s absurd that you should be allowed to insult Islam in Malaysia.

Don’t forget what happened in 1969.

I was hoping to discuss with Muslims of Malaysia.

Apparently, this forum is populated mostly by non-Muslims.

Quite a shame.

[quote=“Banglar Lathial”][quote=“mevotex”]

What the??? After ranting that CNN, Bloomberg, International Business Times are amateurs, now you are again saying CIA World Factbook is amateur, when there are so many in the world using their database as reference? All those people must be idiots then.

I don’t see any point debating with you further.[/quote]

[size=300]You haven’t answered if you are a non-Muslim, Chinese. Are you?[/size]

[size=200]Is race and religion so important in the discussion?[/size]

Again, are there no Muslims in this forum?

Wow!

I had thought Malaysia was a Muslim majority country.

[size=300]How come Malaysians did not expel all these illegal immigrants who arrived on boat and who are not Muslims to begin with? [/size]

I had better impressions about Malaysia thanks to Dr Mahathir Muhammad.

[size=300]Seems like he did a poor job of ridding Malaysia of these traitor non-Muslims. [/size]

Sad for the Muslim Malaysians, indeed.

[size=200]True face revealed, my negative perception on this guy has been proven[/size]

[/quote]

[quote=“Banglar Lathial”][quote=“mevotex”]

What the??? After ranting that CNN, Bloomberg, International Business Times are amateurs, now you are again saying CIA World Factbook is amateur, when there are so many in the world using their database as reference? All those people must be idiots then.

I don’t see any point debating with you further.[/quote]

You haven’t answered if you are a non-Muslim, Chinese. Are you?

Yours was the rant.

This thread title is the proof.

I have attached proof that the OIC GDP is comfortably larger than Japan.

Despite the fact that OIC is divided into 57 countries, beset by political divisions, and infighting, the collective GDP of OIC is still higher than Japan.

Thus, the whole premise for this thread is false.

Again, are there no Muslims in this forum?

Wow!

I had thought Malaysia was a Muslim majority country.

How come Malaysians did not expel all these illegal immigrants who arrived on boat and who are not Muslims to begin with?

I had better impressions about Malaysia thanks to Dr Mahathir Muhammad.

Seems like he did a poor job of ridding Malaysia of these traitor non-Muslims.

Sad for the Muslim Malaysians, indeed.[/quote]

What the hell are you on about? Are you saying Malaysia is a country only for Muslims? When the hell did this become about religion?

Malaysia has been a multi-cultural society for a long time even when Mahathir was the PM. If you don’t think Malaysian Chinese should be part of this country, you can be sure Bangladesh should be nowhere near this country.

[quote=“Banglar Lathial”]
It’s absurd that you should be allowed to insult Islam in Malaysia.
Don’t forget what happened in 1969.
I was hoping to discuss with Muslims of Malaysia.
Apparently, this forum is populated mostly by non-Muslims.

Quite a shame.[/quote]

I believe you are immigrant from Bangladesh.
I’m a muslim. 1969 tragedy is a conspiracy in politics. I don’t believe everything the government wrote about that tragedy.
You know what makes Islam labeled as religion allows terrorism worldwide? It’s because the bad muslim (which i labeled them as Taliban Muslim) use religion and God’s name to legalize their actions. Not to forget, taliban muslim politicize the religion and put culture above everything else.

They don’t even bother to read / make research on allegations and quickly assumes that certain people insult Islam.