Of PERKASA, NEM and 1MALAYsia

Is Perkasa the party that campaigns equality and human rights for the Malays? What rights are we talking about now? Don’t we have a existing constitution to protect that… why do we need another one? The fail of UMNO & BN?

And a few days ago, I thought wielding and kissing in public during the launch of Perkosa was bad… Take a look at this clip and tell me, should we; the people of Borneo & Malaysia, be worried with all these ‘reformation’ of late? Because I would… but that’s just me…

Wow, you believed Jazeera 100%, where is your eyes and brain? This is reporter from outside of our country and they do like to discriminate our country. They interviewed only certain people that does not represent true Malaysian. Its possible that these people have other reason why they left Malaysia.

So how Malaysia discriminate other races? I’m not a Malay and my rights is still there. I could study, work like other Malays. and look at Miri, there is a lot Chinese here and do they live suffer? We are better than other multi-races country out there!! Some people is left out, do you know why is the reason for that!! Because some people just playing role WAIT-AND-SEE. If they do really care, they should help report those people to respective agencies whether its government, or private or anyone that you felt is suitable.

I think POLITICAL VIEWS shouldn’t be mixed with this things. If you really wanna see this country develop and becoming a true strong bonded nation, give out your hand, help EACH OTHER and stop ranting because it does no good for you or anyone! Move your muscle and speak for the sake of our country!!

Well, Ibrahim Ali just painted the image of Malays on television. Shittttttt

^Yeah. He shouldn’t talk like that. Most probably Jazeera make a bad interview that caused him to talk like that. Most people will reacted badly if they got provoked by others but a leader shouldn’t be like that.

[quote=“livedlooz”]Wow, you believed Jazeera 100%, where is your eyes and brain? This is reporter from outside of our country and they do like to discriminate our country. They interviewed only certain people that does not represent true Malaysian. Its possible that these people have other reason why they left Malaysia.

So how Malaysia discriminate other races? I’m not a Malay and my rights is still there. I could study, work like other Malays. and look at Miri, there is a lot Chinese here and do they live suffer? We are better than other multi-races country out there!! Some people is left out, do you know why is the reason for that!! Because some people just playing role WAIT-AND-SEE. If they do really care, they should help report those people to respective agencies whether its government, or private or anyone that you felt is suitable.

I think POLITICAL VIEWS shouldn’t be mixed with this things. If you really wanna see this country develop and becoming a true strong bonded nation, give out your hand, help EACH OTHER and stop ranting because it does no good for you or anyone! Move your muscle and speak for the sake of our country!![/quote]

Now… let me just ask you one thing. Have you heard of 18/20 point agreement?

Erm… name me any government agencies that does not have any malay or muslim as the head. I don’t mean supervisors or the small time minister or small time potato like that… the big kahuna… the big fish… do you see and chinese or any Ak. or any A/L or A/P as the head?

If so we’re not living in such a racist state, then why burn churches? 1 or 2… well ppl make mistake. why does it take more than 200 churches, chapels and places of worship before any action is taken? don;t believe it’s more than 200? stop reading BN/UMNO funded/regulated newspapers!

If we are really not living in such a racist state… then why have Umno, MIC or MCA political parties? does this reflect racial unity to you? the only time when all malaysian of any races are together and smiling is on the billboard advert of 1malaysia… after photo session, all goes back to normal.

1Malaysia? just another bullsh.it reason for those in power to be richer and let the poor be where they are… don’t believe? go ahead…

Yeah, I don’t believe in you because you are blinded by political views. Judging by your statement i can see you really are blind by calling newspapers are funded by BN/UMNO. Got any proof to backup your statement? You are stupid because you are corrupted by West Malaysia political views. Look at Sarawak or Sabah, does all the heads are from Malay? NO!! They are BUMIPUTERA, for the god sake.

“Protecting Sarawak borders against west malaysian stupid ideology – SRA (Sarawak Republican Army)” - This contradicts your statement because you are commenting based West Malaysia views not Sarawak/Sabah. Of coz most of the malay rules there because they are the majority.

Is there any proof that can backup your statement that 200 churches burned down? People like you can give wrong information and can lead to chaos in this country.

There are many political parties and they have been here since INDEPENDENCE DAY!! You can’t just disassemble them like that because they are the roots to our history. Do you think 1 party can cater all the races in this country? NO! You are wrong. That is why they called as BN. We have all sorts of Parties in Malaysia, whether its UMNO, MIC, MCA, PAS, DAP, PBB, or whatever. They are formed by the RAKYAT. They actually come from normal people who formed Party and which people supported them.

I don’t like POLITIC because whenever there is a government, there will be a coalition party and people have to take which side they want. This will split people into 2 categories. Sometimes i can see people are way too blinded by their political view and i feel sorry for them. Lets hope when they got old enough, they will see their mistakes and judge by taking matter from both sides.

As for my advice, stay away from POLITIC because they can corrode your mind. Be a free thinker that can judge both sides.

[quote=“livedlooz”]Yeah, I don’t believe in you because you are blinded by political views. Judging by your statement i can see you really are blind by calling newspapers are funded by BN/UMNO. Got any proof to backup your statement? You are stupid because you are corrupted by West Malaysia political views. Look at Sarawak or Sabah, does all the heads are from Malay? NO!! They are BUMIPUTERA, for the god sake.

“Protecting Sarawak borders against west malaysian stupid ideology – SRA (Sarawak Republican Army)” - This contradicts your statement because you are commenting based West Malaysia views not Sarawak/Sabah. Of coz most of the malay rules there because they are the majority.

Is there any proof that can backup your statement that 200 churches burned down? People like you can give wrong information and can lead to chaos in this country.

There are many political parties and they have been here since INDEPENDENCE DAY!! You can’t just disassemble them like that because they are the roots to our history. Do you think 1 party can cater all the races in this country? NO! You are wrong. That is why they called as BN. We have all sorts of Parties in Malaysia, whether its UMNO, MIC, MCA, PAS, DAP, PBB, or whatever. They are formed by the RAKYAT. They actually come from normal people who formed Party and which people supported them.

I don’t like POLITIC because whenever there is a government, there will be a coalition party and people have to take which side they want. This will split people into 2 categories. Sometimes i can see people are way too blinded by their political view and i feel sorry for them. Lets hope when they got old enough, they will see their mistakes and judge by taking matter from both sides.

As for my advice, stay away from POLITIC because they can corrode your mind. Be a free thinker that can judge both sides.[/quote]

One last question. Do you exercise your rights to vote?

Last time election i can’t vote because of my age but now i can vote who ever i want. Think wise, vote for PEOPLE you think is capable not the PARTY. We are still young and don’t follow blindly just because people said so, we have a brain to think.

I experienced with people that comes from both side of party because my father is pro BN and my foster father is pro PAS. I lived Johor for couple of years and i know how the political views there, i’m also a Sarawakian and lived in Miri now. This mean i can see both sides view and that is why i prefer neutrality.

First of all, i would like to thank you for calling me ‘Stupid’ and ‘Blinded’. Secondly, I would just like to have an understanding… you never voted before for reasons of your own, you still live with your parents or rather didn’t have much time to be on your own without the burden of paying income tax, graduated from local universities at least or colleges who political influence are much to who’s in the ruling, and don’t believe in the policies of political parties but rather the person…, and have no idea of what a 18/20 point agreement is, and will definitely not believe that malaysia consist of 3 country that joined together to formed malaysia, and it’s fairly fair that I would say you live in a bubble wrapped with cotton candy of things.

There’s no point of convincing you to what further is to be said. It’s not that I am giving up, but rather would like you to experience first hand on things. Experience is the greatest method of learning rather than reading or viewing… so I will spare your ignorance to which I would call, you are still in a learning process of life.

I, and many other ‘stupid’ people will make a change for Sarawak by voting and by questioning everything that political figures try to feed to us. We ‘Stupid’ people do not believe building massive amount of Dams for the sake of ‘Development’ means eridicate more than 13 long house and taking their lands without them agreeing to it. We, the ‘Stupid’ people believe that development to Sarawak should be better than what it is right now. We, the ‘Stupid’ people believe that the 5% oil royalties allocated to Sarawak is bulls.hit as we should have more stakes to it, and as such rights has also been included written in the agreement between Sarawak and petronas in 1974. we, the ‘Stupid’ people wants more rights for every Sarawakian, dayak or non dayak… There are more others to write but I will spare you and your ‘smartness’ to experience it, because I for once will not let my 5 kids live in a political policies that deem us 2nd class in our own land…

So call me ‘Stupid’ or call me any other names, but, I rather be call that then to live in a lie that the current ruling party is fighting for our rights and not for it’s own personal wealth.

funded? where you get the idea?

take our advice, politic may corrode your mind & you may hate it. but even eating a piece of KFC chicken is a politic.
politic its not a job.

@Fallenelves
Ok, i’m sorry if i offended you by calling you “stupid” but i’ll not taking back “blinded”. Even though i’m younger than you but that doesn’t mean i can’t think like a matured people and i lived in this country for 23 years so you don’t have the rights question my age by stating as i’m way to immature. Older people sometimes think they got more experiences and for more superior than younger people. That is an ancient ways of thinking. Younger people now can think properly and can stand by using their own two feet. They are very well educated and i got my degree from local university. I preferred to live in a bubble wrapped with cotton candy of things because i love PEACE. History show us that if we are too greedy, conflicts will arise and bad events will haunt us in the future. There is no country in the world is so perfect. But we all should be thankful that this country is still in one piece.

About that 18/20 Agreement, I know about it. This THREE country you referred is from history statement. I know that West M’sian people have to use passport to get to S’wak and i know what is the reason behind it.

About that Dam, i partially agree with your statement especially when the lands are taken away without permission but if the Dam benefits us in the future, you will take back what you say about development because most of electricity in Sarawak are powered by coal. If you preferred to use coal that is the dirtiest energy source and not to mention it cause bad effect to environment, so go ahead. You do know that dam is a renewable energy that can use for a very long time compared to coal. Please take everything into consideration that is why reading also important not just experience.
If 5% is still not enough, so give a better rate even though it is not you that drilled the oil and it is not you that found the oil and it is not you that produced the oil. We all should be thankful that there is a large oil reserve beneath our feet.
About your/our rights, why do you want more? We want EQUALITY not more than other races! If your rights is abandoned, so tell them just don’t sit around and do nothing. You are older enough to use your voice and speak up. Bad habit from Sarawakian people is that they don’t exercise their right then they complained not getting any rights. I’m thankful to my father because he used his right and help other people whether they are Melanau or not, especially in my kampung. People always want to change but you what stops people from changing? Its because they are lazy to take action. This is the way i see people now. I assumed you are a Dayak, so do you try to help your race? Support them first then we can see Sarawak will change into a better educated community. Government tried to help us in Sarawak but the problem is we stay silent and see other race going down. If you really care about Sarawak, change our races mind and help the younger generations to be fully educated.

@J.Howard
So what kind of politic is that?

I don’t like people using age as an excuse to remove people young from this kind of conversation. They have eyes, ear, hand, leg and brain. They can think, react, and take action. We are human too and lived in this country so we have the right to state our opinion. We can conclude based on history of older people and that is why we can think broader. Experiences is good too but sometimes that can constrain people with their thinking because each people got different experience.

I preferred MiriCommunity free of political view because people may used bad intention and spread wrong informations. Sometimes people are lazy to correct informations from other. A HEALTHY FORUM CAN BE OBTAINED WHEN THERE IS NO POLITICAL DISCUSSION. If my arguments are wrong, please correct me and give a better suggestions. If you support me for banning political discussion, we can create a thread to inform our admin. I can see sometimes political thread are too dangerous to be left alone because people can misused it.

@J.Howard,
I agree with you that eating KFC is definitely political… :lol:

@livedlooz,
Forgive my bluntness but you sound like a UMNO ‘cybertrooper’ from how you address the people who write to express their view. I’ve read remarks all across the cyberspace when people write on their thoughts of how democracy should be managed and believe me, most of ‘cybertroopers’ begins with hostility and addressing people as ‘stupid’.
I believe forums are there to assist and/or educate others on what is happening around us. And political point of view is after all ‘a point of view’. Like deciding for either pizza and burger for lunch, don’t you ask yourself what you THINK you want? Help me out here. What do you define as a ‘healthy forum’? We don’t live in a ideal utopia with numerous political ideology and especially with Malaysia, I can’t help to agree with foreign media when they write and/or display what really is happening in Malaysia. Does the truth hurts?

But I think we’re all missing the context here. We’re talking about Perkasa and how the leader is presenting himself in the media. Now, as a leader should you set yourself as an positive example in the eyes of the media? Being a politician, one should know how well the media manipulates the material so they can sell. It’s called propaganda. If the politician knows that, no matter how absurd the question may be… shouldn’t the politician be composed when answering it?

Think about it for a second now. If the representative cannot compose himself during an interview; then what does that tell you? Heard about because of 1 rotten apple the whole basket is ruined? So because of one politician and a few million views later; don’t the outside world view us the same?
Like you, my dad is pro-BN. He supports it 110%. But when I told him I don’t believe in the ruling party, he was slightly shocked! But we had a healthy discussion about it. He may not agree with my point of view but that’s just how I see things and what is really happening now.

I believe democracy is weak. You know why? If democracy is defined as pro-government and the other opposition, what does that tell you? If the ruling party is ‘opposition’ does that mean they get the same budget as 'pro-government party? I can assure you thats not gonna happen in our ‘beloved’ country.
I love peace too but are we at peace? Peace is not defined by the lack of civil wars (unlike other countries) but silently, we are practicing genocide of the smaller ethnic races. Ask yourself… Do we, as people of M’sia extend our hands to an unfortunate family without publishing your act in the newspaper? Look outside your comfort zone and tell me, do we really need another organization that champion only one ethnic race? Didn’t Hitler do the same thing with a United German and the Aryan brotherhood?

If you’re wondering, my political belief is a cross between a socialist and a fascist. Now, does that make me bad?

@livedloz
It’s ironic in a sense calling me ‘Blinded’ for choosing to stand where I want politically. My little friend, it’s not blinded, it’s seeing both side of the coins and having assessed each sides. And being on the sideline of things and rather be comfortable in your bubble wrapped cotton candy is far worst than being blind, you are killing your own kind to believe that living in peace means keeping quite about it… keeping the peace all means to constantly shiv the waters and keeping it clean from any political debris, in this sense building wealth from the sufferings of the people. Now, little friend… am I blind to see that our current political figures has their policies bended to their gain, not to the people? I don;t expect you to see it from where I stand, and I don;t expect you to stand up and see what i see… i let that be your live long experience. If I was to brutally convince you of what I see, then what use is democracy and it’s values, we’re not living in a tyrant controlled condition. And by exercising my rights to vote, i am also voicing my voice and fight in ways much better than taking up arms and burning churches… so to speak.

To how much dams is needed to power Sarawak? Didn’t you know that Sarawak vast lands is the envy of nations surrounding us? and in that land there’s billions worth of timber, and it’s just sitting there… So here comes the dams projects… Of course to build something you need to clear it… so who will get the timber concession? do you think the people in the more than 13 long house will get some of the money from the timber cutting/selling? Why can’t you see it’s not really much about the powering of Sarawak, but also obtaining timber from the vast huge land… electrical power can be harness from other ways too. Wave generator. We have huge shores and rivers that is very ideal for placement of these wave generators, but then again, it won’t profit the builders much, as installing one will take less time than building dams. Really, I am the blind one?

Who does not welcome development, but when development comes with a price of eradicating or evicting people from their God given land, that is not right. Do you think it’s right if I was to build a power plant on your father’s house, the one you are staying right now, and I would use my eviction authority to clear you out to make way for the power plant so that it can power your neighborhood is fair to you? Will you gleefully move out of my way, or would you rather stand up and fight to keep me away? in what you’ve mentioned, you rather gleefully move out of my way. The development proposed by the current ruling political leaders are in such a way trying to force people out of their land to make way for that power plant… even though there’s other options that could be taken into consideration. Now, my stand to keep them away from the doorstep of those affected long house is not blind my little friend. Ignoring that it happens is blind, and choosing not to take part in something you believe is right is blind… wanting to live in harmony and peace but will not lift a finger to help is blind… living in a bubble wrapped cotton candy and just hope the nightmares would go away is blind.

1Malaysia… you think it will work? Did you know the first thing the political inventor of 1Malaysia did when he took office? He created 1Malaysia bonds/investment schemes for people to buy… do you know how many billions is that worth? why would someone take on office and the first thing he do is sell bonds? and created 1Malaysia so all of us live in unity… but when the real situation of the church burning issue came up, you know what was said? “I am sorry i cannot stop them from rallying and protesting against the court ruling, we’ll have to wait and see”…

And you know what PAS/PKR or other indie party did? They said “We must respect the courts ruling, and we do not promote any muslim to go against the courts ruling, we will give support to the churches in safety and security”

Now tell me, who’s political policy is better? the underdog political group has got nothing but wave after wave of batteries from our current ruling political figures… it’s not pity that i show the political underdog, but rather things make clear sense to who is capable in handling sensitive situation as this and who is not. Now, am I blind to see that clearly?

You believe you know the contents of our 18/20 point agreement and yet you stand on the sideline and not choose your sides to how you want your generation to live? Look into the agreement between tanah melayu and Sarawak/Sabah, which do you think of the point the hold to the dot? Let me give you a prime example of real life situation happened to me first hand. My daughter goes to a school and that the Mandarin class was to be conducted, and circulars has been given to parents for consent to sent their kids for the Mandarin class in the weekends, all parents be it Chinese or not was excited to enroll their kids in the language class, and one fine day, a directive from Federal Education department says that such class cannot be hold without further explanation. Now everyone was baffle by such directive orders, and I was among many parents contested that it’s not fair not to hold such class as it would benefit the child more to be able to learn another language or to sharpen the language they are speaking, this violates the point in the agreement that Sarawak & Sabah have the right to execute how we want our education to be conducted. Rights for education is violated. Among other rights that has been violated. Now, it will come to a point that if the points in our 18/20 agreement is violated, then the agreement will be void and that would lead to the end of formation of Malaysia. There will only be tanah melayu, Sarawak and Sabah. 1Malaysia? and I am the blind one.

You were given the chance to study in local universities, good for you. That is your rights as Sarawakian, being not denied education even in tanah melayu. No on should deny you that no matter what, if you are qualified, then you are to be administered.

On oil & gas issue, how spoon feed can you get? If your sort is the sort of young graduate that comes out from local universities, and by God, help us all. Do you ever listen to yourself talk? of course 5% is not enough when in the agreement says we should have more royalties, our agreement with petronas is not the same as it is with other oil producing state in tanah melayu, reason being federal still use the ‘emergency energy’ that was used during the last racial tension. How fuc.ked up is that for them? This is not about greed little friend, it’s about respecting each others agreement to the dot, so to speak. Let me spoon feed you further, I come to your house, I dig soil from under your house, and every year, I give you 5 cent for it, while I have use the soil under your house for gardening and producing vegetables that makes me live comfortably while you loosing inch by inch of the soil under your house, and I only give you 5 cent for it… Now, from what you said, it’s alright that I live well, and you live in almost corroded condition. If you think that is right, then you better sit yourself down, and let the ‘abangs’ & ‘kakaks’ do their job while you enjoy your bubble wrapped cotton candy. Little man, you made yourself sound as ignorant as a typical umno which is ignore the obvious and hope for the best. But, I you say I am the blind one.

Really… am I the blind one to stand my ground and fight for what I believe is right for everyone in Sarawak in my own ways for the peace and harmony of generations to come? You the younger generation should make a stand, come together protect our shores from invaders that comes not in arms but comes in ideologies that does not suit the way of living in Sarawak. 1malaysia does not suit us… we are already living in harmony way before they came with such ideas… they should learn it from us. they should learn how well we handle situations that they would take up arms and start burning things. Am I blind or are you blind to see that I have chosen my path and as hard is my path it’s the path suits best to stand against political ideology tyrants that is trying to corrupt our way of living.

the very same that you watch at TV1, TV2 & TV3…

you dont have to be hardcore like Fallen. what we do is check & balance.

[quote=“J.Howard”][quote=“livedlooz”]
@J.Howard
So what kind of politic is that?
[/quote]

the very same that you watch at TV1, TV2 & TV3…

you dont have to be hardcore like Fallen. what we do is check & balance.[/quote]

I won’t consider myself hardcore, nor do i promote people to go against the government. But I am against those in power elected by the people to serve the people but gain personal wealth from the people’s suffering. Everyday we hear or read anti-bullying campaign, and bullying come from many form, and bullying is always about the bigger kids doing harm to the little kids. Never the other way around.

Which one i should believe?

Al Jazeera?
Malaysia Kini?
Awani?
TV1, TV2, TV3?

[quote=“moon”]Which one i should believe?

Al Jazeera?
Malaysia Kini?
Awani?
TV1, TV2, TV3?[/quote]

Since you are still unsure of which source to depend on or rather which source to learn from, then I would suggest all sources you can find. Be it pro-BN or pro-information or pro-whichever you may want to call it. As @J.Howard has mentioned, it’s all about gathering information and deducing and make your own judgment of it.

You be surprise that somethings not mentioned in our local mainstream media will be mentioned on international mainstream media, reason being as @ghost has mentioned it’s regulated that every media is to renew their license and if the license renewing agency finds that it does not coincide with the current policy of certain ruling party, then their license to disperse news will be revoke, so is this does not effect international mainstream media.

For me, i would view, read or listen to such news from both local and international, and would ask few people I trust about it and have a discussion with them on the current issues to deduce what is and what is not. That is just me…

[quote=“livedlooz”]
I preferred MiriCommunity free of political view because people may used bad intention and spread wrong informations. Sometimes people are lazy to correct informations from other. A HEALTHY FORUM CAN BE OBTAINED WHEN THERE IS NO POLITICAL DISCUSSION. If my arguments are wrong, please correct me and give a better suggestions. If you support me for banning political discussion, we can create a thread to inform our admin. I can see sometimes political thread are too dangerous to be left alone because people can misused it.[/quote]

First of all, its up to the readers to decide whether those info are facts or just a bunch of lies. Secondly, a forum will certainly be “healthy” if all issues are discussed in a healthy and constructive manner.

Ignorance is not always bliss.

[quote=“Fallenelves”]
I won’t consider myself hardcore, nor do i promote people to go against the government. But I am against those in power elected by the people to serve the people but gain personal wealth from the people’s suffering. Everyday we hear or read anti-bullying campaign, and bullying come from many form, and bullying is always about the bigger kids doing harm to the little kids. Never the other way around.[/quote]

saja, jual nama kitak tek bang… :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[quote=“relaxjack”]
Ignorance is not always bliss.[/quote]

life never fair, no?

don’t leave JPUNS out of the topic oso… :mrgreen: