This is what the Savvy should be. Why is it they have to do several models that invade into each other’s space?
Anyway, the Lotus handling talk is old - but I don’t mind buying one on meeting several conditions;
Interior quality must be better than tupperware
Lotus handling actually lives up to his name (currently the previous ‘Lotus handling’ can’t hold a shock absorber to my Honda)
Safety actually meets European standards
If it looks better than it does in the pictures. Currently the archille’s heel of any Proton is the quality of its fitting - like huge ugly fender gaps and headlights / backlights that look like it came out from a knockoff factory in China (in fact this statement insults cheap Chinese knockoffs).
– And what’s up with the ‘highly original’ name? Wow, it’s a name I’ve never heard before… heck I think even Keanu Reeves never heard of that one.
[quote=“Peter Choy”]it looks good from the pics. Where is this designed? Looks like it’s got a bit of German influence in styling.
Does anyone know how heavy it is and how is the weight distributed front and rear?
Whats is the size of the disc brake?[/quote]
Notice that even the 1.3 version in the pic is no different from the 1.6 - I suspect that the 1.3 will have 13 incher wheels. As for the brakes, I think it will be lifted from either the Gen2 or the Waja (probably 8").
Forget the weight distribution - the whole car is based on the Savvy chassis, about the only thing’s changed are the engines and body, so I’m thinking it will be front heavy about 80/20 or 70/30, unless they found a way to make the engine lighter. Not likely.
Forget the weight distribution - the whole car is based on the Savvy chassis, about the only thing’s changed are the engines and body, so I’m thinking it will be front heavy about 80/20 or 70/30, unless they found a way to make the engine lighter. Not likely.[/quote]
I think you’re right, no amount of Lotus tuning is going to win against gravity in the handling department.
I think this is a good value modern compact car made for family outing. The marketing team is turning this car out to be something it really isn’t, but maybe… if you’ll bolt on a bigger wing & a louder exhaust, that may lift performance a bit. :lol:
I felt that one of the very important aspect of owning a car is the “total cost of ownership” - TCO. I noticed that many of us only look at the built, style, engine, etc. The cost of ownership is how much it costs you to maintain and run. Therefore, maintenance interval and fuel consumption are two areas we must all start to ask the seller. Whenever I ask about fuel consumption, the seller sometimes gave me vague answer like “one tank should last for one week!!”. This is a useless answer and tells me nothing.
It is good to see that Proton started to publish their fuel consumption in the spec now. It is 6 litre/100KM @ constant 90 km/h. That is about 11 cents per Km. If you drive 70Km per day, this works out to be RM7.70. Comparing to my Honda that consumes 11 litre/100KM, ie, 21cents/km, RM14.70. This means that the saving is RM210 per month or RM2520 /year, or RM25K over 10 years. For a poorer family, this is a lot of money. Fuel price is probably going up again. So, fuel consumption is even more important.
Next is the service interval. European car normally has 10-20KM service intervals. Our service is by default 5KM. Many people say that engine won’t last. My 4x4 has been on 10KM (per spec) service interval all its life (>10 yrs) and I think the engine is still very good. Anyway, few people keeps car for that long anyway.
So next time, when you go out to look for a new car, ask the seller on the fuel consumption. I am hoping to bring my petrol bill from RM440/month down to RM250/month. Have to invest in a car, which gives me good fuel consumption.
Another misconception is that smaller engine is more economical. This is not always a true statement.
Well then, it is also worth to note that published fuel consumption numbers don’t really reflect actual consumption. The published numbers may be in a controlled environment where the conditions are perfect.
I get a lot of comments that the Campro 1.6 really guzzles fuel from actual Gen2 0wners.
WT, i think you’ve raised a few good questions. Like Ian says, published fuel consumption generally cannot be trusted and should be used as a guide. So the savings may not be as great if you change your honda.
Normally there is also a big capital loss changing cars so what you gain with better fuel consumption may not be worth the money lost just changing cars.
[quote=“Peter Choy”]WT, i think you’ve raised a few good questions. Like Ian says, published fuel consumption generally cannot be trusted and should be used as a guide. So the savings may not be as great if you change your honda.
Normally there is also a big capital loss changing cars so what you gain with better fuel consumption may not be worth the money lost just changing cars.[/quote]
Incidentally, I just noticed that the specs say 6L per 100MKH @ constant 90 KM/H. That should say something about their creditability.
I drove pass the showroom just now. Ya, the car is tiny!
For all those who responsed to my comment about fuel consumption, you are all very sharp to have realised that it is @ constant 90KM. This is highway driving and means that the performance is tuned to 90KM/Hr. If you drive on the highway at higher speed, the consumption will be higher. So, for urban driving, some manufacturer also quoted “ultra urban”, the consumption is again different. Remember this is only an indication. And this can be used as an indicative benchmark against diff engine. And I used this to compute an indicative possible saving. By the way, British Auto magazine has been publishing cost/Km for more than 20 years now.
Peter, you are right about the capital loss. That is why I have not changed any car since 1989! Your observation is 100% correct and I have no plan to change to a car made by Proton. They still can’t convince me to change!
Just a note, if you’re looking for frugal fuel consumption, look at the Honda City, it’s official statement on the automatic1.5 L engine is 19KM / L, which translates to about 5.2 L per 100KMH.
While surely the real world results would be different, I have had heard good comments from the owners themselves.
Anyway, in Malaysia, the car prices are so ridiculously high it is never worth it to purchase a car. Never. A normal loan period runs above 6 years, maxing out at 9! Yet, a lot of people still do it just to own a car. (pwned!)
I’m sure we all know the recent hooha about the fuel price increase complaints - with car prices already so high, yet we still have to deal with the fuel prices. In other countries like the US they have much higher fuel prices but their cars are just so much more affordable, which offsets alot of things…