How likely u may succeed in bribing officials in ur country?

Transparency International, the German-based non-profit institution who have been global authority on corruption since 1995, studies corruption among nations every year. They compiled the data for last year as:

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With green being the cleanest and red most corrupted

It measures the possibilities each nation’s public officials may agreed to accept your bribes.

Interesting note:

  • most Asia is corrupted, the only clean states in Asia are Singapore & Hong Kong, and Australia and New Zealand if you consider them Asia.

  • Africa & Latin America is highly corrupted, only 4 nations among so many seem ‘cleaner’

  • Italy is the most corrupted major developed nation, putting it in par with developing world.

  • Most of the world is corrupted, this is human nature.

So, who is the cleanest in the world? List show how probable, in %, officials might accept your bribe instead of arresting you. The cleanest country is New Zealand, only 6% chance the officials may accept, 94% possibilities he/she will arrest you.

1 New Zealand / 6%

2 Denmark / 7%
3 Singapore / 8%
3 Sweden / 8%

5 Switzerland / 10%
6 Finland / 11%
6 Netherlands / 11%
8 Australia / 13%
8 Canada / 13%
8 Iceland / 13%
11 Norway / 14%
12 Hong Kong / 18%
12 Luxembourg / 18%
14 Germany / 20%
14 Ireland / 20%
16 Austria / 21%
17 Japan / 23%
17 United Kingdom / 23%
19 United States / 25%
20 Barbados / 26%
21 Belgium / 29%
22 Qatar / 30%
22 Saint Lucia / 30%
24 France / 31%
25 Chile / 33%
25 Uruguay / 33%
27 Cyprus / 34%
27 Estonia / 34%
27 Slovenia / 34%
30 United Arab Emirates / 35%
31 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines / 36%
32 Israel / 39%
32 Spain / 39%
34 Dominica / 41%
35 Portugal / 42%
35 Puerto Rico / 42%
37 Botswana / 44%
37 Taiwan / 44%
39 Brunei / 45%
39 Oman / 45%
39 South Korea / 45%
42 Mauritius / 46%
43 Costa Rica / 47%
43 Macau / 47%
45 Malta / 48%
46 Bahrain / 49%
46 Cape Verde / 49%
46 Hungary / 49%
49 Bhutan / 50%
49 Jordan / 50%
49 Poland / 50%
52 Czech Republic / 51%
52 Lithuania / 51%
54 Seychelles / 52%
55 South Africa / 53%
56 Latvia / 55%
56 Malaysia / 55%
56 Namibia / 55%
56 Samoa / 55%
56 Slovakia / 55%
61 Cuba / 56%
61 Turkey / 56%
63 Italy / 57%
63 Saudi Arabia / 57%
65 Tunisia / 58%
66 Croatia / 59%
66 Georgia / 59%
66 Kuwait / 59%
69 Ghana / 61%
69 Montenegro / 61%
71 Bulgaria / 62%
71 Macedonia / 62%
71 Greece / 62%
71 Romania / 62%
75 Brazil / 63%
75 Colombia / 63%
75 Peru / 63%
75 Suriname / 63%
79 Burkina Faso / 64%
79 China / 64%
79 Swaziland / 64%
79 Trinidad and Tobago / 64%
83 Serbia / 65%
84 El Salvador / 66%
84 Guatemala / 66%
84 India / 66%
84 Panama / 66%
84 Thailand / 66%
89 Lesotho / 67%
89 Malawi / 67%
89 Mexico / 67%
89 Moldova / 67%
89 Morocco / 67%
89 Rwanda / 67%
95 Albania / 68%
95 Vanuatu / 68%
97 Liberia / 69%
97 Sri Lanka / 69%
99 Bosnia and Herzegovina / 70%
99 Dominican Republic / 70%
99 Jamaica / 70%
99 Madagascar / 70%
99 Senegal / 70%
99 Tonga / 70%
99 Zambia / 70%
106 Argentina / 71%
106 Benin / 71%
106 Gabon / 71%
106 Gambia / 71%
106 Niger / 71%
111 Algeria / 72%
111 Djibouti / 72%
111 Egypt / 72%
111 Indonesia / 72%
111 Kiribati / 72%
111 Mali / 72%
111 So Tom and Prncipe / 72%
111 Solomon Islands / 72%
111 Togo / 72%
120 Armenia / 73%
120 Bolivia / 73%
120 Ethiopia / 73%
120 Kazakhstan / 73%
120 Mongolia / 73%
120 Vietnam / 73%
126 Eritrea / 74%
126 Guyana / 74%
126 Syria / 74%
126 Tanzania / 74%
130 Honduras / 75%
130 Lebanon / 75%
130 Libya / 75%
130 Maldives / 75%
130 Mauritania / 75%
130 Mozambique / 75%
130 Nicaragua / 75%
130 Nigeria / 75%
130 Uganda / 75%
139 Bangladesh / 76%
139 Belarus / 76%
139 Pakistan / 76%
139 Philippines / 76%
143 Azerbaijan / 77%
143 Comoros / 77%
143 Nepal / 77%
146 Cameroon / 78%
146 Ecuador / 78%
146 Kenya / 78%
146 Russia / 78%
146 Sierra Leone / 78%
146 Timor-Leste / 78%
146 Ukraine / 78%
146 Zimbabwe / 78%
154 Cte d’Ivoire / 79%
154 Papua New Guinea / 79%
154 Paraguay / 79%
154 Yemen / 79%
158 Cambodia / 80%
158 Central African Republic / 80%
158 Laos / 80%
158 Tajikistan / 80%
162 Angola / 81%
162 Republic of the Congo / 81%
162 Democratic Republic of the Congo / 81%
162 Guinea-Bissau / 81%
162 Kyrgyzstan / 81%
162 Venezuela / 81%
168 Burundi / 82%
168 Equatorial Guinea / 82%
168 Guinea / 82%
168 Haiti / 82%
168 Iran / 82%
168 Turkmenistan / 82%
174 Uzbekistan / 83%
175 Chad / 84%
176 Iraq / 85%
176 Sudan / 85%
178 Myanmar / 86%
179 Afghanistan / 87%
180 Somalia / 89%

Success rate for corruption in Somalia is 89%

human nature??? nope, but well human tend to be greedy, and they love money, singapore being one of the most less corruption is undeniable, just compare the different in salary for police in msia n spore, with spore sargeant, will get s4000++ and malaysia rm2000++ just do da comparison, just an example, im not saying malaysian police can be bribed tho. :stuck_out_tongue:

to really compare m’sia & s’pore, u will first need to explain why a country so rich in natural resources lost to an island with nothing, when both were equal around 1950s

not to mention iceland drown in crisis and nearly got bankrupted, it still rank well. and italy? how about kuwait the so-called richest in middle east?

yes, the tendency to corrupt is indeed human nature! :lol: if some inspector comes and tell u ur house failed cleanliness test but can be solved by something very convenient, which path would u most probably go for? 90% of people will choose u-know-what 8) humans have been practicing corruption even well before mesopotamia, the first civilization.

Do we have the same GDP? … :wink:

39 Brunei / 45%

This one don’t try…
last time i tried,i got saman…

[quote=“Athrun_zala_faith”]39 Brunei / 45%

This one don’t try…
last time i tried,i got saman…[/quote]

lucky, new law just passed, next time if try and caught, jail 3 months

seriously? one country 5 million people and another 28 million, and only a roughly same/slightly higher GDP? :lol:

this is the summary:

Singapore beats Malaysia over:

  • Military
  • Technologies
  • Port traffic
  • Airport rank
  • Per capita millionaires
  • Oil exports
  • National reserves
  • Sovereign Assets
  • Educational rank
  • Medical reputation
  • International trade
  • Stock market value
  • FDI
  • Poverty rating
  • Grants and Scholarship
  • Talented workforce
  • Efficiency rating
  • Economic stability
  • Global competitiveness
  • International connectivity
  • Business and economic freedom
  • Real estate value
  • Average wages
  • Corruption index
  • International relations
  • Quality of living standard
  • Police confidence index
  • Public transport
  • Social stability
  • Citizens wealth
  • Political stability
  • Multinational corporation headquarter
  • Crime rate
  • Literacy rate
  • Global innovation index

Malaysia beats Singapore over:

  • Total GDP
  • Tourist arrivals
  • Natural resources
  • Population
  • Country size
  • Democracy index
  • Subsidies granted
  • Press freedom
  • Birth rate / baby production
  • Environment index
  • Religious faith

feel free to add 8)

yes… n why is that??? do u said we malaysian had been in bribery since long ago. u know who back up singapore right, from history u know singapore had been built from malaysia resources, remember, before KL, singapore was malayan centre, even UM was there before, so its not fair to said malaysia is behind just because of bribery alone. As for port traffic, logically, of course singapore had advantage over this, except government plan to bring down singapore malaysia bridge long ago were done, many will doubt this, but ask any shipping company, do they prefer to go a long way or go into a straits which will give them advantage in many ways, excluding pirate problem there, dun u think piracy isnt there anymore, as for military, technologies, and certain other, u know how they got it, oil export??? i guess they are nett importer, unless they sell again those oil, i dunno laa, transportation, compare singapore only to KL then as they are alsmost the same size, lalalalalalala

Ah, Solomon Islands… cute Solomon Islands…

lol, singapore never is the capital of malaya. i suppose you mean the strait settlements?

indeed, singapore was the center for the strait settlements. within these period, it is true that the resources of malaya was spent to develop singapore, just like the resources of the 2 east malaysian states are now used to develop west malaysia.

(correction: upon further check on history, i realized the statement above is wrong. the resources of malaya was not used to develop singapore but poured in to build the city today known as kuala lumpur. the contribution to singapore was that all malaya’s exports was passed down to be exported through singapore’s port, hence help developing its port into a major trading center. apart from that no malayan resources or money was spent on progressing singapore)

however, you forgot to mention that because singapore was the capital of strait settlements and considered as the ‘impenetrable fort’ for britain in the east, the japanese took the extra steps to heavily bombed and bombarded it in ww2, and also because singapore was the ‘financing center’ providing money for chinese forces battling japan, they carried out more severe sweep of destruction on singapore than to malaya, turning it into ashes.

once the war was over, the strait settlements dissolved and singapore and malaya now handle their own affairs, no more using this resources to develop that. due to the war, they both need to build from scratch, but one has plentiful natural resources and other has nothing. the port trade however, enabled singapore to grow rich again. singapore merged with malaya for 2 yrs, in that 2 years, fear of the economic power of singapore’s port led malaysian central government to place numerous restrictions on singapore economy, in attempt to ‘balance any differences’, this hindered singaporean economy for 2 yrs till its withdrawal.

both suffered from racial riots in the 1960s, and proceed to adopt different policies, one embraced a race-based economic structure and other a globalized free trade economy based on meritocracy, it was from here the differences begin.

i honestly did not understand why it is believed tearing down the bridge will develop malaysian port? frankly, no one would use that narrow johor straits, to challenge singapore port, it is better malaysia/indonesia build world-class port facilities in the red square areas than resorting to other fruitless plans.

as per your question, singapore got the technologies and militaries from the US & western technological transfers. this is due to its desire to be on friendly terms with the west. Nobody forced the malaysian government to be anti-west, anti-US, anti-UK.

and so, let us compare transportation in KL and singapore, public transport in KL is indeed modern and up to standard, but it is only for show, its utilization rate is only 16%. singapore’s public transport utilization rate is 52.4%.

on for oil exports, hey, check out my previous post at http://www.miricommunity.net/viewtopic.php?p=383883 and the CIA world factbook stats at [url=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2176rank.html]https://www.cia.gov/library/publication … 6rank.html

you may argue malaysia has more lands and population to develop, but this is offset by rich natural resources. let me rephrase malaysia natural resources again:

  • so rich in oil palm that it is world’s no.2 in palm oil exports (used to be no.1 now surpassed by indonesia)

  • so rich in natural rubber that it is no.2 in rubber exports (used to be no.1 now surpassed by thailand)

  • so rich in tin that it is no.6 in tin exports (used to be no.1, now hold by china)

  • so rich in timber that it is the world’s largest exporter of tropical logs and sawn timber.

  • so rich in petroleum that state-owned petronas is the most profitable company in Asia, 8th most profitable in the world.

  • so rich in natural gas that it is the no.3 in LNG exports (used to be no.1 now surpassed by qatar and indonesia)

  • rich in copper, bauxite, iron-ore, coal, clay, kaolin, silica, limestone, barite, phosphates, granite, marble blocks and slabs. all these are important industrial minerals which unlike singapore, its industries don’t need to import from overseas.

Bro mevotex, does all your point there is to point out that malaysian is corrupt???

and singapore cost of living is also cheaper, even though their hbd might cost Sing500K they pay their final install earlier than our malaysian Rm200K apartment with the same loan amout, maybe 10 years earlier, most common salesman drive at least honda while malaysian salesman drives proton…:slight_smile:

nope, but i’m simply being economist :lol:

kl public transport is like ■■■■ man, train frequency of 20 to 30 minutes, shah alam bus frequency of 1 or 2 hours, the lrt does not even connect to sunway pyramid-not even in the projected new line and they goverment even approve it even though it bypass sunway pyramid. favouritism and childish mind of our authority.

hahaha, guess that is the case then, bcoz i agree with your point but to say we lost to singapore due to bribery, i hate to say it even its true, i still wanna believe we are in a good hand or else, malaysia will collapse in no time… uwaaaa… :frowning:

hmm, bribery is not the reason a country lagged behind others. it occurs everywhere around the world.

institutional corruption is what is detrimental to a country. say $200mln is allocated for a project to build 2,500 low cost houses. someone inside take a little bit here and another little bit there, ended up only built 800 houses or 2,500 will-collapse-anytime houses. or maybe gov’t spending on military, someone of higher ranks take a percentage of the money and another yet some percentage, ended up the funds only enough to buy some third class weaponry. or well-connected businesses having insider agreements with top gov’t officials, a $1 billion dollar project ended up costing the country $2 billion. put it into thousands and millions of projects and the results magnified.

and of course, institutional corruption cannot be surveyed and barely possible to conduct any research into it without serious consequences :twisted:

there are bribery in singapore too, but it is conducted in different ways. from what i know, bribery in malaysia is something like “you let me get the project i pay u money, not only that, halfway we tell the gov’t the tender cost need to be revised, together we rob the nation and share the loots!”, in singapore it is like, “you tell me how others bid and their quotation details, plus the maximum amount the gov’t is willing to pay, so i won’t bid too low and able to maximize the company profits. i won’t pay u money, i appoint u into my company board of directors and u get five-figure director fees every month.” be sure to check who is in the director board in most singaporean big businesses. :mrgreen:

thats da point, even both are bribery but it seem, singaporean type of bribery did profit both party but in malaysian case, its a shame, but i admit ive seen it in some project that i was involved, even though im not in management team, i am just a ‘kuli’ its seem cheap, btw, i resign from the company already, im not saying that i am gud but to live out of that kind of money, i dun want to be one of it.

hmm, bribery is not the reason a country lagged behind others. it occurs everywhere around the world.

institutional corruption is what is detrimental to a country. say $200mln is allocated for a project to build 2,500 low cost houses. someone inside take a little bit here and another little bit there, ended up only built 800 houses or 2,500 will-collapse-anytime houses. or maybe gov’t spending on military, someone of higher ranks take a percentage of the money and another yet some percentage, ended up the funds only enough to buy some third class weaponry. or well-connected businesses having insider agreements with top gov’t officials, a $1 billion dollar project ended up costing the country $2 billion. put it into thousands and millions of projects and the results magnified.

and of course, institutional corruption cannot be surveyed and barely possible to conduct any research into it without serious consequences :twisted:

there are bribery in singapore too, but it is conducted in different ways. from what i know, bribery in malaysia is something like “you let me get the project i pay u money, not only that, halfway we tell the gov’t the tender cost need to be revised, together we rob the nation and share the loots!”, in singapore it is like, “you tell me how others bid and their quotation details, plus the maximum amount the gov’t is willing to pay, so i won’t bid too low and able to maximize the company profits. i won’t pay u money, i appoint u into my company board of directors and u get five-figure director fees every month.” be sure to check who is in the director board in most singaporean big businesses. :mrgreen:[/quote]

That my fren, i would like to rephrase it as competitive advantage. Muahahahahaha :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: