2012 world's top 20 most high-tech nations: Israel at no.1

[quote=“mevotex”]Apart from title checker, you may also apply as grammar, vocabulary and verbs teacher correcting everyone in the forum. Many will appreciate it 8)

You must also give marks on every forum, reminding posters of their English usage skills.[/quote]

I think you get something mixed up maybe? I thought it was a difference to say Israel is top in high tech, when in fact, this statistics only show the expenditure per capita. So in total a country like the U.S. will still spend times more on the field than Israel.

If 10 people spend 1 $ towards something, and 100 people spend 50 cents towards something it is obvious that the budget of the 100 is still a lot larger than the one of 10 people, eventhough the %-per capita is a lot higher in the country of the 10 people. so where Israel spends more on research, the size of their country and the amount of people is also very small compared to that of the U.S., China or Russia. They spend less per capita but their budgets is still times bigger.

So Israel is not the top high tech country, it is the country that spends the most %-of their budget towards it.

Sounds like the story of David and Goliath in the Bible. Anyway, Israel has always being surrounded by hostile neighbours since ancient time as recorded in Pslam 83 (of the Bible).

1 God, dont keep silent.
God, dont keep quiet. Dont be still.
2 See how your enemies are getting ready for action.
See how they are rising up against you.
3 They make clever plans against your people.
They make evil plans against those you love.
4 Come, they say. Lets destroy that whole nation.
Then the name of Israel wont be remembered anymore.

5 All of them agree on the evil plans they have made.
They join forces against you.
6 Their forces include the people of Edom,
Ishmael, Moab and Hagar.
7 They also include the people of Byblos, Ammon, Amalek,
Philistia and Tyre.
8 Even Assyria has joined them
to give strength to the people of Moab and Ammon.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se … rsion=NIRV

[quote=“wmm”]

I think you get something mixed up maybe?[/quote]

Perhaps you forgot the tech intensity? We have 2 examples, India and Singapore. Which would you classify as a more high-tech nation?

The fact is, India spent 6 times more on scientific & technological research. The number of scientists, engineers, technicians and researchers India possessed is far bigger than Singapore of course, consider the population. On per-capita wise, Singapore beats India, and that’s all about it.

This is similar to GDP per capita. Malaysia has a GDP 14 times Brunei, but Brunei is still consider richer as a result of higher per capita. Country like Iran spends more on R&D than New Zealand, but NZ has a higher per capita, and the world has the impression NZ is advanced and Iran backward.

How can you define how high tech a nation is? In reality there is no accurate way.

The U.S. is a very advanced nation, but when you go to some Midwestern rural agricultural states (Wyoming, North Dakota), or its poorest state Mississippi, you don’t feel high tech at all, and the people there may not even know how to properly operate advanced technologies. This bring down the average.

On the other hand, with very high per capita spending, Singapore and Israel are able to utilize and connect almost all parts of their countries with sophisticated technologies. You can find a lot of their people very tech-literate. Even in the Negev desert, Israel implemented advanced agricultural and engineering technologies (if you meet those hillbillies and rednecks in the southern states of USA, the high-tech image spoiled totally)

So is per capita R&D expenditure a way to measure high techness of a country?

[quote=“panzai”]

i dont have time to check all mentioned invention… [/quote]

The Wiki entry all say 1987? iRiS Software in Israel developed the first antivirus system in 1979, and offered it to the public in 1987. By 1990s, it is a leading antivirus company. Unfortunately the company did not survive.

Check out the business press releases back in the 1990s, it is the first company in the world with an anti-virus solution.:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases … 02847.html

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases … 39427.html

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases … 28172.html

ok that really some finding mevotex… just couldnt find other sources for such invention

btw, GDP on R&D may show allocated budget… but does it really tell the output/result

what about Global Innovation Index? does it seems more direct

INSEAD and the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO, a specialized agency of the United Nations) co-publish The Global Innovation Index (GII) since 2012. This year in its fifth edition, the GII was previously published by INSEAD. The GII recognizes the key role of innovation as a driver of economic growth and prosperity and acknowledges the need for a broad horizontal vision of innovation that is applicable to both developed and emerging economies, with the inclusion of indicators that go beyond the traditional measures of innovation (such as the level of research and development in a given country). The GII has evolved into a valuable benchmarking tool to facilitate public-private dialogue, whereby policymakers, business leaders and other stakeholders can evaluate progress on a continual basis.

Global Innovation Index rankings - http://www.globalinnovationindex.org/gi … index.html

Country/Economy - Score (0100) - Rank
Switzerland - 68.2 - 1
Sweden - 64.8 - 2
Singapore - 63.5 - 3
Finland - 61.8 - 4
United Kingdom - 61.2 - 5
Netherlands - 60.5 - 6
Denmark - 59.9 - 7
Hong Kong (China) - 58.7 - 8
Ireland 58.7 9 - HI - 9
United States of America - 57.7 - 10
Luxembourg - 57.7 - 11
Canada - 56.9 - 12
New Zealand - 56.6 - 13
Norway - 56.4 - 14
Germany - 56.2 - 15
Malta - 56.1 - 16
Israel - 56.0 - 17
Iceland - 55.7 - 18

from your earlier link http://www.rdmag.com/articles/2011/12/2 … ccelerates

Three new emerging economies joined this Forecast in 2012: Malaysia, Indonesia, and Saudi Arabia. Starting from relatively small commitments (R&D expenditures at less than 1.0% of gross domestic product), each intends to increase its funding over the next several years to reflect the R&D ratios of more innovation-oriented economies.
This report reflects the global researcher viewpoint of R&D. The multinational respondents to our survey confirm trends reported elsewhere, including expectations of future funding constraints across all R&D sectorsgovernment, industry, and academiaas the most critical concern for researchers. It also reveals that the U.S. continues to be the recognized leader in a broad range of technologies such as aerospace, agriculture, military, materials, and life science.

Good to see Malaysia was mentioned to those who was asking what about malaysia… and your source say the leader is U.S :mrgreen: but your title potray differently

and last but not least

The Global Innovation Index, a ranking of 130 countries released yesterday, calls the US the world’s number one innovator. The index was created by Soumitra Dutta, a professor at French business school INSEAD, along with New Delhi based non-profit organization The Confederation of Indian Industry.
The global index ranks Germany second, Sweden third, the UK fourth and Singapore fifth. Contrary to what some might expect, China comes in relatively low at number 37, while India stands at number 41.
The ranking is based on indices such as the number of internet users in a nation, the ease of doing business and the stability of banks (that score alone makes surprising that the U.S. tops the list). Every factor is then categorized as either an input or an output, with inputs indicating how conducive countries are to stimulating innovation (these include institutions and policies, human capacity, infrastructure, technological sophistication, business markets and capital). The outputs indicate how effectively countries translate innovation into benefits - like knowledge, competitiveness and weal

Countries with the Most Nobel Prize Winners1.1 United States 270
2.2 United Kingdom 101
3.3 Germany 76
4.4 France 49
5.5 Sweden 30
6.6 Switzerland 22
7.7 Netherlands 15
8.8 USSR 14
9.9 Italy 14
10.10 Denmark 13
11.11 Japan 12
12.12 Austria 11
13.13 Canada 10
14.14 Spain 6
15.15 Australia 6
16.16 Ireland 5
17.17 Israel 5
18.18 Poland 5
19.19 South Africa 5
20.20 Argentina 5
21.21 India 4

The outputs indicate how effectively countries translate innovation into benefits - like knowledge, competitiveness and weal

If a country is boycotted by almost a quarter of the world and had to keep selling its technological patents or bring its innovation to other countries for marketing, how would that score for competitiveness or export revenue? For instance, the Merom chips was formulated in Intel’s Israel plant and marketed as the Intel Core 2 Duo worldwide. The Core 2 Duo helped Intel regain market share lost to AMD since 2003 and reversed its decline. In that sense, it is essentially incorporated as an American innovation.

Under normal circumstances, Israel is capable to setup its own Intel and beat Intel in the game, but geopolitical situation means it couldn’t.

This is why despite the potential for regional conflict is so high there, corporations like Intel, Motorola, Microsoft, IBM, etc still have large R&D centers in Israel. The technologies produced in Israeli labs are then transferred to their head office. The Israeli branch for example, designed the internal structure for Windows XP, which went on to become the best selling Microsoft OS until Windows 7.

This is why despite the potential for regional conflict is so high there, corporations like Intel, Motorola, Microsoft, IBM, etc still have large R&D centers in Israel. The technologies produced in Israeli labs are then transferred to their head office. The Israeli branch for example, designed the internal structure for Windows XP, which went on to become the best selling Microsoft OS until Windows 7.

since israel is willing to spend high on R&D, it will be a good incentives for the companies to invest. since it is an intel product - intel who invested in their R&D and the workers paid by intel - its belong to intel… not the country. Amercian innovation? i dont think intel market their product linking it to any country as their business is worldwide… maybe we can see ‘made in malaysia’ on their chips. was it really due to boycott or just its how business work for industry like Intel?

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Intel-Fab18-Factory-Tour-in-Kiryat-Gat-Israel/253/1

As you can see in Figure 1, Intel has fabs only in three countries: United States, Ireland and Israel. Assembly and testing facilities are found near consumer markets.

So, the final product from Fab18 is wafer, to be sent to assembly and testing facilities. That’s why you never see “Israel” on the body of any CPU but “Costa Rica”, “Malaysia” or “Philippines”, for example.

how the investment work- you invest in our country we top-up your investment by such amount (example:)

Initially, Kiryat Gat’s major industries were agriculture and textiles. But in the mid-1990s Intel, which had established other facilities in Israel beginning in 1974, chose Kiryat Gat – a section that was once part of 'Iraq al-Manshiya – as the site for a huge new plant it called Fab 18. (“Fab” is chip-industry lingo for a facility where semiconductors are fabricated.) Intel put in $1 billion – at the time the largest foreign investment ever in Israel – and it persuaded the Israeli government to contribute another $600 million to build and equip the plant. Surrounded by a seven-meter-high concrete wall topped by a tall fence of green metal bars, it opened in 1999 and was soon cranking out Pentium processors worth more than $1 billion a year. In the early years of this decade, it was often described in the semiconductor-industry trade press as Intel’s most profitable plant.
The Nakba, Intel, and Kiryat Gat ~ Window Into Palestine

i must admit, this is strategic investment made by israel to attract R&D into their country… but maybe not really suitable for plant/manufacturing industry where country like malaysia is more suitable due to labour market

Within Kiryat Gat, there is a distinct separation of land uses. A predominantly residential core to the west
composed of a variety of neighborhood enclaves for the citys diverse communities. The eastern industrial
zone is home to several large manufacturers, including the Intels microchip processing plant. Despite this
juxtaposition, the industrial zone is treated as its own entity rather than an extension of the city. Kiryat
Gats residents benefit little economically and have a high rate of unemployment. Compounded with the
fact that few amenities exist for residents between the ages of 25 to 40, the city struggles to retain young
families and the most productive segment of its workforce.

http://11.304j.scripts.mit.edu/kiryatgat/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/KiryatGat_InitialProposals_Report_0212.pdf

p.s. i couldnt find any stories which can relate israel contribution to cellular phone development, maybe u can help me on that as well

i can only find these:

That is correct, Israel’s technological capabilities attracted them. Intel is utilizing Israeli researchers, and those scientists belong to country, that’s the point. Those brains are the assets of the nation, they make technological advancement possible and they can choose not to work at Intel but another competitor or a local semiconductor company.

Technologies outdate quickly in this ever-changing world, but a strong pool of skilled labors will help maintain that technological edge.

If Malaysia has enough brains to create the next generation Intel chips, why not, Intel will rush to zone many R&D centers. The last I heard, it is closing its R&D center in Malaysia: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.as … c=business

Perhaps you can read more on how Israel saved Intel: http://seattletimes.com/html/businesste … ael09.html , that invention they designed in Haifa successfully reversed Intel’s decline.

[quote=“panzai”]how the investment work- you invest in our country we top-up your investment by such amount (example:)
[/quote]

You invest in our country, we help boost your company’s profits. Best choice for Intel, the innovation made in its Israeli labs now account for 40% of Intel’s revenues: http://www.allvoices.com/news/11737172- … el-revenue

Haha, saying that is like saying “we are great because we have higher population”. Note that fabrication/production facilities can be replaced. Philippines or Indonesia also have a good amount of labor workforce. But the minds that help create the company’s breakthrough technologies is hard to come by.

The cellular phone technologies was designed by Motorola R&D center in Israel, which was its largest R&D facilities at that time. Motorola was the first US corporation to set up an R&D unit in Israel, in 1964. It was also the first branch of Motorola Inc. outside the USA, and the first to develop and market and support a wide range of Motorola cell-phones.

The prototype of the cellular systems was passed to Doctor Martin Cooper, Vice-President and Director of Research & Development at Motorola, who tested it and became the official inventor.

http://www.honestreporting.ca/blog/permalink/2817.aspx

http://www.weeklyblitz.net/1144/window- … inventions

If you look into Martin Cooper’s Wikipedia page:

"In the early 1970s, John F. Mitchell (chief engineer of Motorola’s mobile communications) put Cooper in charge of Motorola’s car phone division where he led Motorola’s cellular research. Cooper envisioned mobile phones that would be used not only in a car, but also small and light enough to be portable. Thanks to years of research and development in portable products directed by Cooper and new technologies from all over the company, when the pressure was on, it took only 90 days in 1973 to create the first portable cellular 800 MHz phone prototype.

It took only 90 days? Now it’s obvious the systems was developed prior to date. In where? Well, Motorola has its largest R&D center in Haifa.

Israel isn’t a country that like to boast this thing, given its geopolitical environment, any endorsement from Israel actually worsen matters. One example is that the newly-independent Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew seek help from Israel to develop its military in 1965. This secret was kept until 2000, when Lee in his book, From Third World to First: The Singapore Story 1965-2000, revealed the Singapore-Israel connection, then only Israel acknowledged it. Singapores army is today considered the strongest and most advanced of the military forces in Southeast Asia.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5173ZXWMNpL.BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01.jpg

I don’t have time to search for all your Israel verification needs online, but if you wish, buy this book, 'Start-up Nation: The Story of Israel’s Economic Miracle (http://www.amazon.com/Start-up-Nation-I … cr_pr_pb_t), it’s recommended even by billionaire former CEO of eBay Meg Whitman, now CEO of HP.

Haha, saying that is like saying “we are great because we have higher population”. Note that fabrication/production facilities can be replaced. Philippines or Indonesia also have a good amount of labor workforce. But the minds that help create the company’s breakthrough technologies is hard to come by.

im not saying about population. its more to workers class considering israel should have more skill workers compare to malaysia since their technology industry begin as early as 1960’s?

but, saying the israel is the one who invented cellphones to me is like denying motorola existence which was established as early as 1920’s. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola#History). there must be technology transfer to the workers at the israel r&d plant which was open in 1964 considering motorola technology already developing for about 40 years.

Many of Motorola’s products have been radio-related, starting with a battery eliminator for radios, through the first walkie-talkie in the world in 1940, defense electronics, cellular infrastructure equipment, and mobile phone manufacturing. In the same year, the company built its research and development program with Dan Noble, a pioneer in FM radio and semiconductor technologies joined the company as director of research. The company produced the hand-held AM SCR-536 radio during World War II, which was vital to Allied communication.

  • Beginning in 1958, with Explorer 1, Motorola provided radio equipment for most NASA space-flights for decades including during the 1969 moon landing. A year later, it established a subsidiary to conduct licensing and manufacturing for international markets.
  • In 1953, the company established the Motorola Foundation to support leading universities in the United States. In 1964, it opened its first company Research and Development branch outside of the United States, in Israel under the management of Moses Basin.

interesting link from you (Friday May 7, 2010 - Intel to close R&D unit in Kulim Hi-Tech Park) - the facility was closed just about 5 months after it opened? funny

At press time, no Intel official was available for comment. Last December, Intel Malaysia officially opened its US$230mil Kulim Microprocessor and Chipset Operations facility at KHTP.
The facility is earmarked by Intel as an important focus for its next-generation 32-nanometer processors and chipsets. To date, Intel has invested more than US$3.7bil in Malaysia.

Israel isn’t a country that like to boast this thing, given its geopolitical environment, any endorsement from Israel actually worsen matters. One example is that the newly-independent Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew seek help from Israel to develop its military in 1965. This secret was kept until 2000, when Lee in his book, From Third World to First: The Singapore Story 1965-2000, revealed the Singapore-Israel connection, then only Israel acknowledged it.

for military related technology, it is understood a country usually keep it as secret. for example israel nuclear weapon which has been kept silent all this while

maybe its their strategy to wait for the right time to raise as they have all the power by holding important technology and its r&d. maybe just a matter of time for them to take the throne as world power from the ailing USA.

one thing I know, they never keep secret of their audio product (http://www.morelhifi.com/about-us). i must say - it do sound nice

im interested with the method to properly measure how technologically advanced a country is. can we say that - mentioned above is an example of education index? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index)

The Education Index is measured by the adult literacy rate (with two-thirds weighting) and the combined primary, secondary, and tertiary gross enrollment ratio (with one-third weighting). The adult literacy rate gives an indication of the ability to reading and writing, while the GER gives an indication of the level of education from nursery (UK & others)/kindergarten (USA & others) to post-graduate education.
Education is a major component of well-being and is used in the measure of economic development and quality of life, which is a key factor determining whether a country is a developed, developing, or underdeveloped country.

based on the education index, USA is at 13 and israel is at 37

[quote=“mevotex”]
Perhaps you forgot the tech intensity? We have 2 examples, India and Singapore. Which would you classify as a more high-tech nation?[/quote]

I do not see much technology coming from Singapore, but taking israel and the U.S. as an example. U.S. ranks 9th in spending of its GDP, Israel first with 4,2%.

Though the U.S. GDP is a lot higher than that of israel, so the U.S. is spending a lot more than israel after all and you can see that the U.S. holds the most registered patents in the world, the most nobel prize winners are from the U.S., a major car and IT industry, Boeing, Nasa, Apple, Ford, GM, Tesla, Intel, Silicon valley etc. etc., so comparing the U.S. and Israel i would think the U.S. is well above Israel. The GDP of Israel is as large as that of Missouri. so after all, the budget the U.S. can throw at R&D is a lot bigger than what israel can invest.

[quote=“mevotex”]
How can you define how high tech a nation is? In reality there is no accurate way.
So is per capita R&D expenditure a way to measure high techness of a country?[/quote]

No, i do not think so. It just states the effort a country is putting in, but in relation to their capabilities and economic size, i do not think it shows the hightechness of a country. the poorest regions in the U.S. are still richer than israel. the U.S has the most cars per capita and most H.phone i think. It also measures high in internet access per capita. Besides military technology, i am not aware of any great technology discovers made by israelis, the U.S or Germany on the other hand do. I have not found a real good statistic that shows the overall hightechness of a country, but the amount of spending of GDP can not be an indicator of overall hightechness.

[quote=“panzai”]
im not saying about population…[/quote]

That didn’t explain why of all countries, it choose Israel to setup its first foreign research center, and yet the biggest one again. It can choose Europe, a very advanced continent, or Japan, a rising economic power.

But true to that, in 1940, Motorola already developed the portable two-way radio (or walkie-talkie) for uses in war, this technologies were passed to Israel, who restructured it into portable cellular (or cell phone) and passed them back to America.

Gotta ask your country’s media then, it’s a .com.my link

[quote=“panzai”]maybe its their strategy to wait for the right time to raise as they have all the power by holding important technology and its r&d. maybe just a matter of time for them to take the throne as world power from the ailing USA.

one thing I know, they never keep secret of their audio product (http://www.morelhifi.com/about-us). i must say - it do sound nice[/quote]

The mind is still filled with Israel taking over the world… Haha.

The about us page did not mention Israel, but it did for its American subsidiary. The contact page has both Israeli and American addresses. That is the problem, many Israeli companies need a foreign subsidiary and would rather not mention their Israeli origin. If it ships to Malaysia with Israel as origin, you will know what happen in the custom parts.

Wow, Antigua and Barbuda beats Singapore in Education Index.

You did not see technologies coming from Singapore? Oh man, so this is how you see it… from the surface. I think most forumers would agree Singapore is one of the most advanced, high-tech nations in Asia. Its application of technologies is far more intense than the region and this is what it matters.

In Israel, the application of technologies, from civilian to military, is pervasive and this is how it manages to survive in a hostile neighborhood

You keep rebuke my thread and now you’re saying you have not found a real good statistic that shows the overall hightechness of a country. Tell you what, find me another indicator that you think closest for it.

The list is pretty accurate either, China spends more than Japan in overall R&D, but still Japan topped China in technologies due to higher per capita spending.


[b]Now you can see, when it comes to Israel topic, you always have certain people jumping up and down. Topics about other countries (except Saudi and Iran - which I even received threats and insults for posting) didn’t manage to fetch that much interests or so much debates. Can someone tell me why? :mrgreen:

This tiny nation of 8 million must be superbly-powerful.[/b]

And panzai, I didn’t forget how you continuously insulted me as ‘dog’, even caught the attention of other member insatiable. The reason I continue to debate with you is because of what Americans called etiquette, class or standard. Bear that in mind.

wmm, let’s continue debate 8)

[quote=“mevotex”]And panzai, I didn’t forget how you continuously insulted me as ‘dog’, even caught the attention of other member insatiable. The reason I continue to debate with you is because of what Americans called etiquette, class or standard. Bear that in mind.

mevotex, you are not called an ape and a pig because you are not a Jew. If you are a Christian, you might be called a dog. :frowning:

http://www.memri.org/report/en/print754.htm
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso … eport.html

"Silence is one of the hardest arguments to refute. "
- Josh Billings

I don’t understand why the insistence of ‘overall R&D spending’ and keep going round and round with that. My only conclusion is that because it is Israel and that’s why…

I already explained it: India spends $36.1bn in R&D and Singapore $6.3bn, yet Singapore is considered a more advanced, high-tech nation.

China spends $251.8bn while Germany only $69.5bn, but when it comes to technology Germany is almost always considered more high-tech than China.

Why is that? Because their R&D expenditure as % of GDP is higher, which is the main theme of this post.

In City A there are 100 buildings, in city B there are 5,000 buildings. For City A all buildings are equipped with high-tech facilities and the wi-fi coverage is 100%. For City B half of buildings are equipped with high-tech facilities, the rest half are low-tech, and the wi-fi coverage is 50%.

Even though half of City B constitutes 2,500 buildings - far more than City A. City A would be considered more high-tech, because technologies are being utilized in every parts of it. This is just like the Singapore and India example above.

Obvious, yet we keep going in circles.

watchman, its nothing related to religion… would you please? try to stick to the topic at least :oops:

mevotex, since your profile mentioned that you american - i know you can take it… i just dont understand why insatiable interrupted my conversation. he kind of rude tho. oh please “bear that in mind”? u think i dont know any other american before? :roll:

ok, let get back to the thread topic…

its seems like more to political decision for american companies to choose israel due to their bad relation with japan due to WWII and of course european is more leaning towards soviet power. while america trying to raise to be the world power - it would be a wise decision to invest in r&d with your rival… common sense isnt it

[quote=“mevotex”]The mind is still filled with Israel taking over the world… Haha.

The about us page did not mention Israel, but it did for its American subsidiary. The contact page has both Israeli and American addresses. That is the problem, many Israeli companies need a foreign subsidiary and would rather not mention their Israeli origin. If it ships to Malaysia with Israel as origin, you will know what happen in the custom parts.[/quote]

there is basis for it… they had american to do their dirty job and picking on their enemies while american closed on eyes on them for being their buddy. america in huge debt ever due to their spending in war and israel benefiting all the technologies transferred from america all this while. btw the morel contact page did mention israel as their headquarters. morel has been in malaysian market for quite sometime and it has been well known for being the israel product - its handmade from israel. their american subsidiary just founded in 2004, whereby the brand itself established in 1975.

while u reminded me of american etiquette, you might forgotten about writing ethics. the impression of your title didnt reflect it content to the readers… not that because its an topic about israel. when i open the topic - i’m expecting to see pictures of those hi-tech stuff and lifestyles i.e. automatic toilet bowl, multi-storey automated car parking facilities, high speed bullet train, robot buddy that can entertain lonely person, cyborg dog pet etc, robot girls… but its disappointing to see just figures in term of GDP

personally, i am purposely avoiding talking on topic that lead bashing on religion. in reality - sarawak is harmony with highly tolerant society which i really appreciate. its quite shocking to see when the identities are covered especially in this forum. i dont know any of them in reality - so i cant assume what sort of life do they have. for me, i know some of the forumer as friend with different races and religion, and even for non-forumer - i have much more friends with different races and religion which i never have problem and even best friends since kids. but it might not be a problem for those living in their own world or within their own small circle. to feed those troll lead to nowhere especially when we dont live in such country which is far away, and trying to be clever giving out comment by just what we read from the internet - i dont see any value to it. but some do try to be american and shouting its freedom of speech… i would like to try to those and call them as ‘dog’ if i bump them around town to see their reaction - its just me practising my freedom of speech.

so they do have potential to be the world power i guess

I’ll stop conversation with you after this. If you think I’m your punching bag that you can simply throw personal insults as you like and expect people to take it, that would be a mistake. The one being rude is you, and insatiable just reminded you of the forum code of conduct. I can opt to put up a harsher insult on you if I want, or I can go crazy and put up violent riot on street, but my education and social customs say no. Maybe certain people didn’t have those, but it’s alright I’ll leave that to them.

Taking a high moral ground and claim he avoids talking on topic that lead to bashing on religion? I agree Sarawak is indeed harmony with highly tolerant society, and thanks to that tolerance, people won’t buy it when someone who claimed he wants harmony keep splurting out conspiracy theories on the West or the Jews. I trust that Sarawakians are even more worried about potential religious radicals inside their state who have deep affinity to Middle East - than some Jews or some Americans.

That level of concerns automatically translate into more participation on Mideast radicalization issues. You keep saying I’m a foreigner and my intention is to disrupt your state’s peacefulness. I’m sorry if I upset your plan to shut your people off the world and feed them only with ‘America is bad’ and ‘Israel wants to dominate the world’ things, but apparently they want more than those. Gotta put up a better reason than ‘foreigner wants to shatter our peace’.

As an investor and economic observer, I sympathize with Sarawak, it’s a hugely potential state, but it’s just like Philippines who got plundered by Marcos or Myanmar who got crippled by the generals. I hope it can develop into something like Taiwan, Singapore or South Korea, if it can get rid of corruption, and provided it doesn’t fall into radicalization like in Brunei, and its taxpayers’ monies go to support some Israel/Palestinian crap like this: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?fi … sec=nation

As I said, people have a choice not to read my post. If you don’t like it, don’t read, simple as that. You can post all your ‘US/Israel is evil, Zionists did this Zionists did that’ stuff for all I care, that is if people entertain it.

[quote=“mevotex”][quote=“panzai”]
mevotex, since your profile mentioned that you american - i know you can take it… i just dont understand why insatiable interrupted my conversation. he kind of rude tho. oh please “bear that in mind”? u think i dont know any other american before? :roll:
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I’ll stop conversation with you after this. If you think I’m your punching bag that you can simply throw personal insults as you like and expect people to take it, that would be a mistake. The one being rude is you, and insatiable just reminded you of the forum code of conduct. I can opt to put up a harsher insult on you if I want, or I can go crazy and put up violent riot on street, but my education and social customs say no. Maybe certain people didn’t have those, but it’s alright I’ll leave that to them.

Taking a high moral ground and claim he avoids talking on topic that lead to bashing on religion? I agree Sarawak is indeed harmony with highly tolerant society, and thanks to that tolerance, people won’t buy it when someone who claimed he wants harmony keep splurting out conspiracy theories on the West or the Jews. I trust that Sarawakians are even more worried about potential religious radicals inside their state who have deep affinity to Middle East - than some Jews or some Americans.

That level of concerns automatically translate into more participation on Mideast radicalization issues. You keep saying I’m a foreigner and my intention is to disrupt your state’s peacefulness. I’m sorry if I upset your plan to shut your people off the world and feed them only with ‘America is bad’ and ‘Israel wants to dominate the world’ things, but apparently they want more than those. Gotta put up a better reason than ‘foreigner wants to shatter our peace’.

As an investor and economic observer, I sympathize with Sarawak, it’s a hugely potential state, but it’s just like Philippines who got plundered by Marcos or Myanmar who got crippled by the generals. I hope it can develop into something like Taiwan, Singapore or South Korea, if it can get rid of corruption, and provided it doesn’t fall into radicalization like in Brunei, and its taxpayers’ monies go to support some Israel/Palestinian crap like this: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?fi … sec=nation

As I said, people have a choice not to read my post. If you don’t like it, don’t read, simple as that. You can post all your ‘US/Israel is evil, Zionists did this Zionists did that’ stuff for all I care, that is if people entertain it.[/quote]

agree… i think i need to hit “report” button @ panzai for his misbehavior continuous harassing you.

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[quote=“mevotex”]
You keep rebuke my thread and now you’re saying you have not found a real good statistic that shows the overall hightechness of a country. Tell you what, find me another indicator that you think closest for it.
The list is pretty accurate either, China spends more than Japan in overall R&D, but still Japan topped China in technologies due to higher per capita spending.[/quote]

Because over the last decades (except the last 3 years), the japan economy has always been bigger than that of china so throughout closer history, japan has always had a larger GDP than china. This list is not accurate in pointing out high tech nations at all, it’s just not it’s purpose. No surprise japan beat china in technologies.